Bad timing, superior credibility.

First, the quote by Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee heard round the college football world:

…[H]aving been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it’s like murderer’s row every week for these schools. We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day. So I think until a university runs through that gantlet that there’s some reason to believe that they not be the best teams to [be] in the big ballgame.

TCU’s athletic director, Chris Del Conte, had this to say in response:

Anytime. Anyplace. Anywhere,” he said. “Buckeyes against the Horned Frogs. Tee it up. Let’s go.

Oh really, becauseĀ  TCU declined to play Ohio State within the past three years. Anytime, anyplace, anywhere could have been last year if TCU had wanted it.

In late December of 2007, Ohio State said it had reached a deal to open the 2009 season at home against TCU. Army had recently backed out of a planned series, and the Horned Frogs, coming off an 8-5 season, were set for a one-game trip to Columbus. According to Ohio State, the game had been agreed to but the contract wasn’t yet signed.

And remember, this story was written a year ago, before all of this hullabaloo about Gee’s quote hit the airwaves, so it’s not like OSU made those statements in response to the Del Conte’s boasting and chest thumping.

And Boise State? Their president Bob Kustra seems to think their schedule is as tough as any school, Ohio State or otherwise.

First, that is obviously baloney. But maybe it would be less baloney if Boise State had Nebraska on their schedule. Oh wait, they had the opportunity to play Nebraska and they declined to play for less than a ridiculous $1 million payout?

Nebraska called. Nebraska tried.

In the past year, NU tried to put together a series with BSU; two-for-one, home-and-home, one-way trip to Lincoln. Whatever. It ended up fizzling out. Why?

Because, according to NU Assistant Athletic Director Jeff Jamrog, Boise wanted a minimum $1 million to play in Lincoln.

Anytime, anyplace, anywhere indeed.

The timing of Gee’s statement was terrible. The Game is in less than two days and I have to waste my time writing this story.

However, Gee looks pretty smart in comparison to the idiocy that Del Conte and Kustra have spewed in response. Facts are facts, and the facts say you are chest thumping hypocrites.

Now let us get back to more important things, The Game awaits.


  1. McMunstaNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I don’t know the facts behind TCU crapping out on a game with OSU but Kustra has every right to want a 1 million dollar payout to go to Nebraska.

    That is not dodging the game. That is smart economics. The big red should have agreed. BSU has proven a huge draw and Nebraska would have come out ahead in the deal.

    BSU has the right at this point to look for top dollars.


    JimNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    You either play teams anytime, anyplace, anywhere and gain credibility, or you demand huge payouts and kill the possibility to play competitive teams not willing to pay, you can’t have it both ways.

    If Boise State wants to be considered elite, they can’t be prima donnas when it comes time to split the $.


    ErictBBCNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I would like to point out that when USC came to play at Ohio State the payout was…

    wait for it…


    Any claim Boise State has for asking for 1 million dollars gets tossed out the window when a Carroll coached USC team at the height of it’s power asks for only four hundred thousand from the highest earning athletic department out there.

    Incidentally, the massive payout to Navy was because it was a last minute schedule fill – and Tress has no problem feeding cash to the service academies. The 1 mil to the other Big Ten schools is due to the Big Ten cash sharing agreements.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Well, given that Nebraska is going to sell out their building no matter who’s playing, that argument doesn’t really fly.

    In terms of economics (and, you’re right that it comes down to that) could easily look for top dollars by expanding their stadium past 33,500. It would certainly level the playing field for both teams involved, at least financially.


    Jeff at The BBCNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    The truly elite teams do not need a payout of one million dollars. They play home and home series and shut up about it.

    Southern Idaho State is clearly just a prima donna, demanding big payouts from a true elite team, Nebraska.


    JaredNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Nebraska hasn’t been “truly elite” since the 1990′s, they proved that this year against Texas. Who on the other hand has recently proven that BSU or TCU are not elite teams? BSU has beaten everyone they’ve played, including the current #1 ranked team in both of the past two years. Listen to what you people are saying and try to realize how ignorant you sound.


    JimNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Actually, Boise State is 2-4 in their last 6 bowl games with losses to: Louisville, Boston College, East Carolina, and TCU.

    Who is ignorant again?


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    “You people?”

    You people?


    Not AlanNo Gravatar
    November 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Living in CO, I think it’s funny that CU hired Dan Hawkins, a prima donna, from Boise State and look where it got them.


    EricNo Gravatar
    November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    I had forgotten that Dan Hawkins was the guy that really put Boise State on the map. It’s just too bad he couldn’t play with the big boys.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 30th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Well, we don’t know that just yet. We just know that his son can’t play with the big boys- it’s still a long Intramural season for Dano…


    Jeff at The BBCNo Gravatar
    November 27th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Uh, oh….I think Nevada just ended this argument.


  2. MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Repeating myself a bit:

    Last year, the BCS (the thing that small programs hate, but that also gives them legitimacy- remember when the Broncos were playing in the Humanitarian Bowl every year?) had the chance to end this argument. Instead they pitted TCU and South Idaho State against each other…

    If the BCS line up would have been:

    Iowa/Boise State
    Georgia Tech/Cincinnati

    then (in my opinion) both the Broncos and Frogs lose and are not ranked in the top ten coming in this year.

    Yet another reason to get rid of the freaking pre-season polls.


  3. JaredNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Southern Idaho State???? Ummm, this doesn’t exist.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    J- It’s a moniker the Broncos have been given, since a large portion of their fans can’t remember the difference between “Ohio” (MAC school, questionable mascot behavior) and “Ohio State” (another school that beat Oregon last year).


  4. Elias TrejoNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    The reason Boise asks for big pay outs, is because their football budget is limited. Boise uses about 7 million a year for their football program.Ohio State over 30 million.

    USC doesn’t need much of a payout because their budget exceeds 20 million.

    It’s not rare to see these smaller schools as for big payouts.

    I think it’s funny that the BCS is all bout money, but a BCS school won’t pay to play a good team.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    The BCS is all about money, but you’re mistaken if you think that most BCS schools are profiting from the arrangements. The people who make bank are tourism/bowl committee staff/advertisers. BCS bowl participants end up barely breaking even, especially if (like the Big t1e1n) there’s a mandatory revenue sharing throughout the conference (Purdue makes money when Wisconsin and Michigan State go to major bowls).

    But that’s just it, unfortunately- schools like Ohio State are working hard to keep from asking their general student population to pay for their athletic teams, so they use their schedule and other opportunities to make the athletic department self sufficient.

    It’s a shame there’s no playoff. It’s also a shame (or sham) that the current system has given people the belief that it’s about competition at the expense of cash. It’s not, and won’t be for a while (now that ESPN/Disney has the reins).

    While I’m at it, it’s also a shame that the Pac T1e2n didn’t invite the Broncos instead of Colorado… based on level of competition, it’s a no brainer.


    JimNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Why pay $1 million to play Boise State when you can pay $400k to play Southern Cal or 50 other ‘good’ teams not looking for ridiculously high pay outs?


  5. ChaneyJMNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Marshall is 4/7
    Miami is 7/4
    Ohio is 8/3
    Eastern Michigan is 2/9
    Illinois is 6/5
    Indiana is 4/7
    You lost to Wisconsin
    Purdue is 4/7
    Minnesota is 2/9
    Pen State is 7/4
    Iowa is 7/4

    Where is the Murder’s Row?

    Ohio State does not have a single big win. At least BSU and TCU have run the Table and deserve a shot at the National Championship Game. You guys don’t even deserve to be in the conversation.

    TCU and Boise require and demand Home and Home scheduling. It’s the only thing that’s fair. So say otherwise is shear arrogance.


    JimNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Nobody said Ohio State played a tough schedule this year, nor did anyone say we deserve a shot at the national title

    Boise State’s opponents are at least as bad as Ohio State’s, if not worse, so by your own argument Boise State doesn’t deserve a shot at the title.

    And if you say Boise State beat Va Tech, if all you need is one signature win to get a shot at the title, why doesn’t Ohio State join the MAC and schedule one quality out of conference opponent each year?

    I am sure everyone would be fine with Ohio State claiming that winning the MAC and beating one quality opponent each year makes them deserving a shot at the title.

    That is exactly what Boise State does every single year.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Exactly… the point that should be debated is “should an undefeated TCU/SISU be in the title game rather than a one loss team?”

    For instance, should Bama beat Auburn and Auburn go on to win the SEC championship team… who gets the bid?

    Or if T. Boone Pickens U beats Oklahoma and then goes on to throttle Nebraska, would they get the bid should Auburn fall?

    And what about LSU- currently one loss, to the #2 team in the nation… are they more deserving than non-BCS schools?


    cjkanskiNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    “Join the MAC” LMAO


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I think that a lot of people mistook President Gee’s comments as lobbying for an Ohio State berth in the MNC game. This year, most logical fans would state that this is not realistic- we had our destiny in our hands, and were handed a loss in Madison to a great team that matched up well with the Buckeyes.

    It should be noted that I prefer to use the tag “MNC”, since at the end of the day it’s a) just decided by a bunch of voters and b) the “championship” won on the field is of the “Bowl Championship Series” (the series that the Bowl Championship committee has created, NOT the “NCAA championship).

    I’m also hopeful that President Gee said “murderer’s row”. If not, it’s another place I’d correct him, in addition to his belief that a playoff would “ruin” college football.

    Now that this is out of the way, I’ll defer to Chris Peterson, a coach I think is doing a great job. On numerous occasions he’s been quoted as saying both that the BCS has been good to the Broncos, and that he thinks the challenge of playing in a different conference (SEC, Big 12, Big T1e1n) would be significantly different than their current situation. I believe that he said something to the extent of “anyone can win one game…” If so, then he and President Gee would be preaching similar points.

    I could be wrong, and expect you’ll help correct me if true. I’d google it, but I’m in the midst of cooking a turkey.


    MikeNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Boise turned down a home and home with Nebraska, so that argument goes out the window.

    Neither team is in a situation to “demand” anything. A school with a 30k stadium trying to make a splash name for themselves does not demand anything of schools that bring in 100k fans every weekend. The burden of proof rests on TCU, Boise, Utah, and any other upstarts that they are better teams that those who play in the big conferences. That means playing away games (or arranging for neutral site games for that matter) because there is *no* benefit to an OSU, a Florida, or an Oklahoma to coming to play at your tiny stadium.

    Also, as an aside, does anyone really doubt that Iowa would not go at the *worst* 11-1 against Boise or TCU’s schedule? That in no way means that they would beat either of those teams head to head! It does mean that going undefeated against that schedule does not give enough information to say if a team is championship worthy.


    ErictBBCNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    I like what Mike said here, so I wanted to add to it.

    Florida State became who they were in the 80′s and 90′s by playing anybody anywhere anytime. Literally. You can peruse their schedules in the 70′s – it’s scary how many away games they played and against teams that are now basically the who’s who in the BCS conferences.

    Boise State and TCU are going about it the wrong way. Utah is as close to having the right idea that they can while still having a conference. Where are they now? TCU and Boise State are whining about the MNC, and will be future Mountain West Conference foes. Utah had a bit of a rough end to their season, but played Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Iowa State. Not the greatest BCS teams in the world, but BCS teams none-the-less. Oh, and they’re moving on to a BCS conference next year.

    It’s pretty obvious which strategy works in the long run. I predict BSU and TCU will fall on hard times if they continue to act the way they have so far.


    cjkanskiNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    ChaneyJM are you serious?
    Gee did not say OSU should be in the MNC game. And if you’re going to champion Boise for going undefeated you might want to look again at how they got there (provided they get past Nevada & Utah State.).
    Boise Schedule:
    Virginia Tech (9-2)
    Wyoming (3-9)
    Oregon State (5-5)
    New Mexico State (2-9)
    Toledo (7-4)
    San Jose State (1-10)
    Louisiana Tech (4-6)
    Hawaii (8-3)
    Idaho (5-6)
    Fresno State (6- 4)
    Nevada (10-1)
    Utah State (4-7)
    So I guess this Nevada game is Boise’s Big Win you say Ohio State is lacking?


    ckNo Gravatar
    November 30th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    It’s so misleading to just list a team’s win loss record though. A 10-1 Nevada is not a 10-1 Wisconsin. A 7-4 Toledo is not even a 6-5 Iowa. I mean come on – But isn’t this how the computers and the TCU/BSU fans look at it? Don’t they just say that we played a 6-5 team and they played a 7-4 team so that MUST mean we’re equal.

    I’m not entirely sure how the computers calculate the SOS, but I imagine playing 7-4 Toledo probably is similar to playing 6-5 Iowa… and that’s why the BCS standings and SOS and all the BS is BS.

    The BCS even practices this theory. Does the WAC get an AQ? NO!! So what in the world is everyone so pissed at Gee for? Just stating what is already built into the system.


  6. PatNo Gravatar
    November 25th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    FYI…Here is a link to the article about TCU passing up on the chance to play at Ohio State.


  7. PeterNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Sure, Boise isn’t equal to Ohio State; nor is the WAC equal to the Big Ten, but most of the b.s. here doesn’t really matter because the field is tilted.

    Of course it always comes down to “one time on our field” rather than home and home. If you are not getting that, you must come in with your hat in hand asking “please” to your distant, rich relative. I don’t blame self respecting schools for not easily agreeing to that.

    On a different take, Boise State plays football better than any team in the country (albeit with lesser caliber players for the most part) and it’s a joy to watch them play. Beat Ohio State? Maybe, but probably not. Still, in a single game on a neutral field, I’d give Boise State as good a shot against just about anyone as the Buckeyes this year. Maybe what the belly aching is really about is Ohio State this year being in a three way Big Ten dogfight with some just okay teams.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Good take, Peter- I’ll admit that I enjoy watching the Broncos play (or I did before ESPN started giving them the Tebow treatment and worshiping every move they make). As a fan, how do you feel about Eastern Washington stealing your thunder with an “alternate turf” of their own?

    I guess we’ll see how the “just okay teams” are once it’s all said and done. If I remember right, the Big T1e1n did pretty well in the bowls last year (for a change); so perhaps we’ll see them building on that. Although, since you brought it up, I feel the same way about bowl games that you do with the “one time on our field” thing.


    JimNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    This has nothing to do with Boise State having the ability to beat anyone on any given day. I will give them that. That is not in dispute.

    At the same time, Appalachian State can beat Michigan, James Madison can beat Virginia Tech. Does that mean they deserve to be in the national title game? Clearly it does not.

    The issue is the double standard.

    I said it above but I will say it again. If Ohio State joined the MAC and played two competitive games out of conference, would people be okay with them playing in the title game if they went undefeated? Absolutely not.

    If Southern Cal joined the WAC and did exactly what Boise State is doing, would people be okay with them getting a title shot? No, it would be a huge step down in competition and they would get KILLED for it. No one would respect them. Yet somehow, Boise State deserves respect for what they do?

    That is what is so damn frustrating.

    On top of that, Boise State is 2-4 in bowl games in the last six years. Big time programs would get KILLED for that as well. Ohio State fans know this better than any team, but Ohio State lost to two #1 teams and a top 5 team. Boise has lost to East Carolina, Louisville, Boston College, and TCU.


    Ohio State and any other big time program would get laughed off the face of the earth for claiming they deserve a title shot for doing exactly what Boise State has done in the last six years. So why doesn’t Boise? Why the double standard?

    I honestly think it is because they beat Oklahoma in an exciting fashion. THAT is what the bellyaching is about. It is ridiculous, it is pathetic, it is a joke, it is a double standard.


    brownslovecoltNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    could not have said it better myself


    cjkanskiNo Gravatar
    November 26th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Good post Peter.
    I watch a lot of College Football. I’ve made it a point to watch TCU & Boise State games so that I could be informed when I write online.( I’m looking at you ChaneyJM & Holly Anderson). I was even at the 2008 Poinsettia Bowl to see Boise State & TCU slug it out. These teams are well coached and hard hitting. It’s a shame they play in the WAC & MWC, but then again if they didn’t there wouldn’t be this debate.


  8. MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 27th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Now would be the time that a lesser guy would gloat and say something like “any team can beat any other team on any given day”.

    Luckily I’m not that guy.


  9. buuuuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 27th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I can’t say anything for Boise, but I am starting to gain more respect for TCU. I don’t know what happened in 09, but in the next 3 years TCU has Texas tech, Baylor, lsu, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Virginia, and clemson as well as adding Boise to the conference. What, 8 out of the 10 teams we played this year have losing records. Don’t get me wrong we have a tougher schedule, but we can’t pretend we went through a gauntlet this season.


    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    November 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    I agree, and think that TCU should join the Big 12-2… better choice than Houston or some of the other teams I’m hearing floated around.

    I also agree with you, and think that it’s important to remember that President Gee wasn’t advocating for the Buckeyes being in the title game, only questioning the “pedigree” of the non-BCS teams.

    But I’m also of a mindset that we should be asking questions about the Big lEast as well…


    SBBNo Gravatar
    November 28th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    well, TCU was part of the SWC, right? it would make sense for them to join the Big12(-2)


  10. SBBNo Gravatar
    November 28th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Playing souther Idaho State is a lot like playing Marshall at this point. If you play them and beat them you’ve simply exposed them as not being on your level. If you play them and lose to them the sky is falling and your program is in trouble.


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