A Rivalry Renewed

Written July 14th, 2011 by Jim
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The border war heats up once again.

 

Nine wins, one loss.

That was Jim Tressel’s record against that school up north. No coach in the storied history of Ohio State football was so successful against Michigan before, and no coach will likely be that successful again.

As enjoyable as it is to reflect on those numbers, for good or bad, Tressel’s days on Ohio State’s sideline are over and a new chapter in the rivalry is about to begin.

The first game of this chapter will feature two new head coaches on the sidelines for the first time since 1929.

The coaches may be new, but Luke Fickell and Brady Hoke each have deep roots with their respective programs and an understanding of The Game that outsiders just can’t comprehend.

Under their leadership, the bad blood between the two teams is currently boiling, and I can’t recall looking forward to The Game with so much anticipation this early in the season in my lifetime.

After several seasons of lackluster excitement that came from expecting to crush Rich Rodriguez’s pathetic squads, what follows is an in-depth look at why we will witness a revival of the intensity that has defined the greatest rivalry in sports for over 100 years.

Redemption

First things first, the anticipation for the 2011 season in general is currently through the roof.

After months of uncertainty and seemingly continuous bad news, the opportunity to once again experience an actual football game will be a relief to players and fans alike.

In Buckeye lore, it is generally accepted that a win over that school up north is the only thing necessary to call a season successful (thankfully, we have never had to determine if that is actually true or not).

In a year where every win represents a form of redemption for players and fans, there can be no greater atonement than another glorious victory over the Wolverines.

Woody Hayes once said that there is nothing that cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you. At this point, consider Ohio State’s soul scrubbed.

And while I don’t disagree with Woody’s sentiment, I’d like to channel George C. Scott for a moment by adding that kicking the hell out of someone else, especially the Wolverines, will be wonderfully therapeutic at well.

Brady Hoke, Buckeye enemy #1

Everyone in Ohio knows them, the Buckeye born Michigan fans that choose to root for that school up north simply to be different and for the attention. They are like the Goth kids of college football, trying so desperately to be unique, but as every Ohio State fan knows all too well, they are all the same.

Yes, Brady Hoke is one those people. Born and raised in Ohio, he grew up rooting for Michigan despite no connections to the school whatsoever.

If that weren’t bad enough, Hoke has taken to referring to the Buckeyes simply as “Ohio�?.

A face (and personality) only a Wolverine could love.

While I must admit that this is slightly obnoxious, the intended barb is entirely misdirected (it no doubt upsets our friends in Athens much more than any Ohio State fan) and ultimately harmless.

Talk is cheap, but the “Ohio�? thing reinforces the fact that from birth, Brady Hoke has gone out of his way to antagonize and be obnoxious to Buckeye fans. It takes a special kind of character- or lack thereof, to purposefully act like such a… well, like such a Wolverine for your entire life.

Speaking of a lack of character, Brady Hoke has done a masterful job benefiting from Ohio State’s trouble this offseason, seemingly in a less than honest manner more often than not.

From the beginning of his tenure in Ann Arbor, Hoke hit the recruiting tail in Ohio with a line about players being disrespected if they lacked an Ohio State offer. Unfortunately, this tactic worked on multiple occasions.

Once the NCAA hit the fan, Hoke took his negative recruiting skills to the next level, feeding the premature idea to Ohio players like Kyle Kalis that they shouldn’t be punished for crimes they didn’t commit.

Obviously, this tactic has worked as well… at least for the time being. Not surprisingly, Kalis’ flip to the dark side has caused a stir, even amongst his own family.

At best, Hoke seems to be a clairvoyant seer of the future who is familiar with the punishment that the NCAA will hand down to Ohio State next month. At worst, he is an unscrupulous opportunist lying through his teeth to 18 year olds.

It will be interesting to see what happens on August 12th when the punishment will finally be known for certain.

If the punishment is as minimal as Buckeye Nation hopes (possible scholarship reduction, no postseason ban), or even if they are merely less than the tales of doom Hoke has apparently been spinning to prospects, it is reassuring to know that this summer will likely be Hoke’s high water mark for poaching players from Ohio.

First because Hoke will rightfully develop a reputation as a liar in Ohio (and elsewhere, for that matter), and second because every day Ohio State moves away from this offseason of uncertainty is a day that the Buckeyes will improve.

Either way, Michigan’s recruiting practices under Hoke are creating some serious bad blood right now that will have ramifications on the field not only this season, but for years to come.

I am sure people will jump to Hoke’s defense and say that he is not recruiting like a scumbag and blatantly lying to recruits, but the bottom line is that true or not, he is playing with a fire that will motivate Ohio State and its fans for years.

I am reminded of a story from my football playing days.

In the week leading up to a game, one of our players had his car window smashed in a parking lot. The story got around that a player from the 0pposing team was responsible.

I will never know if someone from the other team actually smashed the car window or not, but we believed it at the time, and with revenge on our minds, that Friday night we beat a team that was clearly better than us 35-7.

Is Brady Hoke blatantly lying to players about exaggerated future punishments to cash in on Ohio State’s current misfortunes? We may never know for sure, but people think that is what he is doing, and he doesn’t even have the better team.

Luke Fickell

 

He's got it covered.

If there is anyone that can take advantage of Brady Hoke’s transgressions (real or perceived) against all things Buckeye, that man is Luke Fickell.

Born and raised in the shadow of the Horseshoe, Coach Fickell’s Buckeye pedigree is strong. He has fought Wolverines on the wrestling mat, on the football field as a player, and on the sidelines as an assistant coach.

Say what you will about his head coaching experience, Fickell’s experience battling Wolverines is extensive.

There are many reasons to want to crush that school up north on November 26th (I covered some of the larger reasons here), and like any true Buckeye, Coach Fickell understands what will be on the line that day.

With Coach Fickell on one sideline and Coach Hoke on the other, The Game this November will be one to remember. On top of that, it will set the tone for the new chapter in the series.

I can’t wait.

95 Comments

  1. ThyoloNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 6:51 am

    It’s ironic that OSU cheated and you want to portray the program as a victim. Kalis didn’t want to be part of the program in its current situation just like Justin Boren didn’t like the change when RR came to Michigan. Who came blame either one. A “win at all costs” mentality does have costs.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    The thing is, Kalis did want to be a part of the program and said so himself on multiple occasions, even after Tressel resigned. From his own mouth, he was 100% committed to Ohio State and coach Fickell very shortly before switching over to the dark side.

    As an Ohio State fan, it is almost impossible to understand how you can make that transition. If you were 100% committed but don’t want to get involved with any punishments in Columbus there are dozens of other places to go besides Ann Arbor.

    There was obviously something going on with Kalis under the surface (the most negative angle would be that Hoke was and is manipulating him, as his step dad has said) that will leave a bad taste in people’s mouth for years to come, just like Justin Boren’s departure did in Ann Arbor. However, my goal here was not to portray Ohio State as a victim. They have and obviously will continue to take their lumps for their off field transgressions.

    Playing the victim versus pointing out that Brady Hoke is taking advantage of a situation in a particularly underhanded way are not exactly the same thing.

    At the end of the day, it is all about how Ohio State responds to this turmoil. And that was the other point of this article. Ohio State doesn’t exactly need extra motivation against that school up north, but this offseason (with the highlight being the Kalis situation) has certainly given them plenty of additional motivation on the field.

    We will see who the victim is on November 26th.

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    Bobby GNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Boren did it…whats the difference. HE was a WOLVERINE, transferred to O$U and did so under his own dime. If thats not a traitor…I dont know what is.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    As a recall, most Michigan fans took some pretty nasty parting shots at Boren when he left. I don’t even care to repeat them. Do all of these things apply to Kalis as well?

    [Lame Saying} Two wrongs don't make a right. [/Lame Saying]

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    Bobby GNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Yeah…we sure did! I say they dont apply because Kalis never played for O$U. Recruits flip flop all the time, but a team member, who was feuding with the coach, who went to O$U out of spite, thats a different situation.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    In retrospect, it is hard to argue that Boren didn’t make the correct decision.

    We will see how it works out for Mr. Kalis.

    As I said, things like Boren and Kalis flipping allegiances is what is going to take the rivalry to a new intensity level this season and into future seasons.

    NC_BuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 19th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    These Ohio-born high school students are Buckeyes by birth… Boren included. What Kalis and anyone that he manages to convince to follow him to AA need to realize is this — Ohio will NEVER be home to them again once they make that trip to AA. If they’re willing to accept that, then good luck.

    I would love for Woodson or Howard to have an honest discussion about that on the record sometime.

    JeffNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Hey Jim,

    First of all, It is disappointing to see all these 18- 20 yr olds get punished, but rules are rules. Furthermore, these kids are playing for there future and they need all the national exposure they can get, that is something OSU can’t guarantee with sanctions pending. Unless you want to supplement with possible NFL earnings without national exposure? Also Jim, he could have gone to other schools, however U of M is a top 10 school in all academic categories. So, when the young man dream school has failed him, he took the next obvious path to reach his career goals. Finally, don’t you whisk Pyror had showed the same respect for his future.

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  2. JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    By the way, here is a link to Kalis’ step dad saying that Hoke manipulated him on the radio. The audio in question starts at 3:55.

    http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=635&f=111801

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  3. TSUNalumNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Why can’t people accept that fact that Kalis commited to Michigan because the 2012 class is loaded along with alot of uncertainty at OSU. Do you really think it took much convincing on Hoke’s part to sell him a stable program. Heck, Fickell is just “interim”. I would have named him “permanent” even if I had doubts as him being the coach going forth. I think OSU will probably win this year and next year should make for a great game, but I also think Michigan will have at least a 10 game winning season in 2013. This is what makes rivalries great! Good luck to the Buckeyes and my apologies for trolling, just killing time til Sept 3rd. BTW, thats why defamation is illegal.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    “Michigan football, we might be good in a few years!”

    I like that slogan, you should run with it.

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    EricNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    It’s also worth noting that the interim tag was removed. Check the first bullet point of this June 28th article from Mali.

    /2011/06/silver-bullet-points-embraces-the-media/

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    BrianNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    How about this: Michigan will be back to kicking buckeye ass on a yearly basis come 2013

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    I hear you about the 2012 uncertainty being a huge part of what’s going on, in addition to the “Man, I want to play with guys I know” angle.

    We talked about the current situation being good for Michigan in an earlier post- check it out!

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  4. SKWDCOPNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Funny how to take offense to Ohio, even though that is what you spell out on the field, and in goofy arm gestures…yet TSUN seems okay with you.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Calling something “slightly obnoxious” “entirely misdirected” and “ultimately harmless” is taking offense?

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    SKWDCOPNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    You do spell Ohio not Ohio State, just saying the obnoxious calling others obnoxious is funny.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Says the Michigan fan picking fights on an Ohio State website.

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    SKWDCOPNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Not picking a fight, stating the obvious. I mean you do post your material on the internet, so obviously you want people to read your thoughts/opinions and form their own, no?

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  5. SKWDCOPNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    BTW for the “Step-dad” to go on the radio and talk about Kalis in my opinion is inappropriate. Sounds like he also was manipulating the child to his preferance OSU.

    Either way I douby his “Dad” would have done the same.

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  6. NorybNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “Underhanded” recruiting? Isn’t that a bit redundant? It’s practically in the definition of recruiting and goes on at every program in the country including OSU… sorry tOSU. Look if anything, be happy that the UM vs. OSU rivalry will be back to what it should be. It was slanted in OSU’s direction for years, whether it was because of a really crooked program or not does not matter. In the end the NCAA bringing OSU back to reality is good for college football and really good for the Big Ten, it’s just going to take a couple years for OSU to recover.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Here’s a fun question: Who “recovers” first- Michigan from the hurricane of suck that was Rich Rodriguez, or Ohio State from whatever punishments the NCAA may hand down on August 12th?

    Ohio State is already off to a head start- potential NCAA punishments haven’t been recruiting for the Buckeyes for the past three seasons.

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    NorybNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I feel OSU will most likely be fine in the next couple seasons based on the fact they have had strong recruiting classes up until this year. But as Hoke brings in stronger recruiting in the next few seasons (I think he has proven that will be the case) that is when things will even out. Don’t discount that OSU may have a few down seasons with what I think will be tougher sanctions than what they have already self imposed. Either way the combination of what UM’s coaching staff is doing now and the trouble to come for OSU, in just a few short seasons this rivalry will be back and that is exciting! The top of OSU’s To Do List has to be find a permanent “Big Name” coach. No offense to Fickell, but I don’t see him recruiting as well in the next few seasons as “that school up north.”

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    It is interesting that you think Fickell can’t recruit well because he is not a big name coach while simultaneously thinking that Brady Hoke will turn things around through doing well recruiting.

    Are you saying that the former sub .500 coach of Ball State and San Diego State is a big name? Or is there some other reason why you think he will do so well when Fickell will not? Or was Rodriguez just that awful?

    Ohio State may struggle, but it is very likely that the happy off-season, new coaching hire, bring back the glory mojo that Hoke has going right now will fade significantly when the realities of the season bring Michigan crashing back down to earth once again…

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    willydNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    It isn’t Hoke that is such a strong recruiter, it is Mattison, who has done whever he has bben at. Many describe him as one of the best recruiters in college football, and not Michigan people(even though they agree) it is national media. Not to mention Mattison is one of the top 5 D coordinators in all of football, college or NFL, that bring recruits all by itself. No it won’t be a few years until we take thwe rivaslry back over again, it will be this year! No matter what anyone predicts the penalty will be for OSU, I don’t think they can go to far. I believe you are going to shocked when you see what the NCAA has in store for you. They are going to make examples, especially so close after USC. Don’t worry Auburn will get theirs after you and UNC. I am sure they will take into consideration that Tressel cheated everwhere he has coached. Bo said tressel was a snake in the grass!

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    BillNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    That has already been done…….. can you say “Urban Meyer”?

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    DavidNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    If Urban Meyer is coming next year why remove the “interim” from Coach Fickell? Sounds as if Ohio is manipulating the players in thinking he isn’t an experiment.

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  7. PeterNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Brady Hoke is the epitome of scUM. RichRod was a terrible coach, but I didn’t realize how much I respected his ethics until Hoke came along (sure, he did give TSUN’s football team it’s first major rules violation, but no one is perfect). Thank you, BBC, for having the courage to tell it like it is.

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    woodyNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    To bad its a lie. First Kalis came to Mich to play with his friends that was the biggest reason. This guy is a joke that wrote this article. Because Hoke is winning in recuritng they call him a lier. Funny calling Hoke that go look at your program let me guess Tressel was a saint. lol I think OSU VS Mich is strong as ever thanks to Hoke and well TP LOL.

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    DavidNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Seeing who you had for a coach the last 10 years I’m surprised you have an inkling at what ethics are. RichRod was NOT a good fit for Michigan, we can all admit to that, and I believe he set the program back. But, there is no comparison to the disgrace JT left with. Question, when is the last time a Ohio coach left without being fired?

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    willydNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    When RR talked to recruits and they told him who were the dirty recruiters, they told him the Spartans and the Buckeyes! Tressel has been dirty behind the scenes all along. Just like tressel liked to put forth his choir boy image, then at camps he read the bible in the morning and then went out in the afternoon and screwed the the players who were not his recruits. Just like he only had the players best interest at heart when he lied about knowledge of wrong doing. That is crap, he was worried about losing without them and that is the only reason, because he had looked the other way his whole carrer!

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Sorry, man- any credibility you may have had went out the window when you quoted the SI article’s anonymous tip that Tress cheated kids out of prizes at camp.

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    West Coast BuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 19th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    And the Minute that you considered someone who lost to a DIV 1-AA school a Football Program. Carry on.

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  8. Bobby GNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    For sure. I want it to be back to how it was during the ten year war. Damn near every UM OSU battle was to determine the big ten champ. We’ve gotten away from that, we made a terrible coaching hire. Period. That style of football was too soft for the Big ten. IM stoked we are gettin back to basics.

    PS your blog is linked from the Detroit Free Press today, if you didnt know.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Thanks, Bobby- I agree about how awesome the 10 year war was, and do think we’re on the cusp of WW2.

    Thanks for the heads up re: the DFP!

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    JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    And here we thought all of you wolverines were stopping by because you liked us so much. Thanks for the heads up.

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  9. shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Many things crack me up about this whole article. First, the claim that Hoke is “manipulating” kids. This is recruiting. He is trying to get as many top level players to his school as possible. There is a level of salesmanship involved, and Hoke seems to be hitting the right buttons. But this isn’t anything new in recruiting, he isn’t rewriting the rules or anything. But manipulating? Come on. Kalis’ step dad went on the RADIO to complain because his step son wasn’t going to HIS favorite school. Isn’t it the Kid’s choice? Shouldn’t you support it? The fact that he was so blinded by his fandom that he feels Hoke is manipulating his son is laughable. Kyle Kalis is a nationally respected recruit, most everyone wants him. If Hoke says, we want you to play for Michigan, you are very important to us, then how is that manipulating? So, did Tressel manipulate James Jackson when he recruited him from Michigan, then only 2 years later tell him to transfer so it could free up a scholarship? Sounds like manipulation to me.

    This all comes off like a 10 year old that is mad because he is used to being called on first in class, only to find out that the new kid is getting the attention now and he is mad. Stop belly aching. You don’t think for a minute that OSU the last 3 years wasn’t telling kids in Ohio, PA, and the midwest that RR was a bad coach? You think that Tressel ONLY sold OSU and never disparaged any other university? Come on. Don’t kid yourself. College football is not Sunday School. It never has been. OSU has had a great run for the past 10 years, and now that (possible) sanctions are coming and the school is in a bad light nationally, you expect people to feel sorry for you when you cry wolf? Try again.

    OSU cheated last season, lied about it numerous times, got caught, and will pay for it. Their program is on a rough patch and their biggest rivals are taking advantage of it. That is not wrong. That is life in the real world. Buck up, and get used to it.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    You don’t think for a minute that OSU the last 3 years wasn’t telling kids in Ohio, PA, and the midwest that RR was a bad coach? You think that Tressel ONLY sold OSU and never disparaged any other university?

    Good thoughts, Shany- although both Rich Rodriguez and Lloyd Carr were both on the record as saying that Ohio State never negatively recruited against Michigan.

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    shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Where is that record? Please provide the quotes.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Sure thing…

    “In my experience in three years of recruiting against them we didn’t sense that, hey, Ohio State is one of these schools that are on the edge,” Rodriguez said. “There were others we thought were doing that.”

    Couldn’t find the Lloyd one yet…

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    shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    On the edge? give me more then that. Link? Also, where was this in reference to his departure? It would seem like belly-aching or sour grapes (something OSU is now familiar with) to cry wolf after you were let go.

    If this was during his tenure, there is weight, but if this is after his departure, then it is nothing more then a long winded no comment, because if he were to stir up things after he left, he would be held in even a worse light.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Link is right above it, but here it is again-

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/michigan-rich-rodriguez-support-ohio-state-jim-tressel/1

    Look, I’m not sure that your opinion will change if I was to have him come to your house and talk personally with you. So, like I said… I got nothing.

    shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Also, when TP went to OSU because he wanted to “become a Pro QB and not someone that runs the spread”, do you think Tressel may have said something or that an 18 year old all of the sudden thought that. Also, OSU hadn’t had a QB drafted in the first 2 rounds in about 25 years. So, Pryor says he wants to play in a pro style system all of the sudden and then chooses OSU who hasnt made a solid NFL QB since he has been alive.

    I am sure that during all this time, OSU, Tressel, and his staff didn’t say a single word to Pryor about the system Michigan would run. If you think that coaches to try to use every angle to make their program look better then the rest, then there is no use arguing. Tressel is the same as everyone else, he sold the fans and the media (until recently) that he was getting all these talented kids because he has a firm handshake and a nice hug. But we all know now he was willing to lie, and then lie again, and then try to cover it up to win. Do you honestly think that didnt run into his recruiting?

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Well, you ask what I “honestly” think, but are already decided that we’re lying liars who lie.

    So… I got nothing.

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    shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Yup, that quote was after he was let go. Makes sense.

    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Indeed- although I seem to remember that type of quote from when he was still in Ann Arbor, as well.

    Again, I may be mistaken.

    DavidNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    There was alot of talk (but nothing proven I will admit), that when TP picked Ohio over Michigan that it was for the best, and TP was going to be trouble.

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  10. StivioNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    You act as if you really know what’s being said on the recruiting trail, but your proof is one speculative post on mgoblog and some things Kalis said to ESPN about his own feelings and opinions. That’s a poor excuse for evidence…it isn’t even circumstantial evidence, just here-say and conjecture that wouldn’t stand up in any court. It’s a dumb meme, in all honesty, and below you to accept it uncritically.

    Oh, and Kalis hasn’t been a solid commit since the first day this started. Fickell had to talk him out of decommitting right after Tressel resigned. Face facts: some kids don’t want to play for a team with that sword of Damocles hanging over them. Even “stretchgate” hurt us for a year.

    Be happy Fickell is doing as good a job as he is keeping, and gaining, recruits in such a terrible environment. Don’t dumb it down buying into conspiracy theories uncritically.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Well, I’m not sure about the “hasn’t been a solid commit” thing, although the proof is in the pudding I guess.

    Mmmmm…. pudding….

    Anyway, there is audio of an interview with Kalis where he talks about wanting to be the “leader” of this recruiting class for Ohio State. I’m not sure when that was recorded, but it does show that there was initial investment in his first decision.

    That being said- he’s a 17 year old young man. There’s lots and lots of opportunities to change your mind at that age.

    Final thought, and I’m not implying that he’d switch back, but my dad always taught me- “Never date someone who will break up with her boyfriend to be with you, ’cause you know she’d leave you for someone else.”

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    shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    So what is your take on Justin Boren? You know, your starting guard the last 2 years that left UM for OSU. He wasn’t just a recruit, he was a player/student. I would say that is much worse then flipping your commitment.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Agreed- And I think if we trade one Kalis for three Borens that’s a win for Ohio State. :)

    As Jim said earlier, there were lots of things said about Boren when he switched “sides”- how do you feel about the way some of the maize and blue responded to his transition.

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    shany42No Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Idiots are everywhere. but there is a difference because a kid who hasnt even been to his senior prom, and a kid that was a starter on the team as a Froshman, then left. I would say that UM had more of a “gripe”, although the extremes that both sides have gone aren’t really worth sticking up for.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    “although the extremes that both sides have gone to aren’t really worth sticking up for”.

    Agreed. 100%.

    “We respected one another so damn much. Now that doesn’t mean I didn’t get so mad at him that I wanted to kick him in the, uh, groin.” – Woody on Bo

    StivioNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Here’s the article from May 31 about his first inclinations to decommit:

    http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/05/ohio_state_buckeyes_st_edwards.html

    Quote: Kalis said he is so impressed with Fickell that he will play for Ohio State as long as it makes Fickell the permanent coach.

    That means that Kalis’ commitment, as far back as May 31, was contingent upon stability in the coaching staff. Sure, he could have waited longer to figure it out, but it was clear even back then that he did not want to play for a team with an interim coach. OSU still has an interim coach; Michigan does not. For Kalis, it’s that simple.

    As for the comparisons with Boren, I’d say it’s just a bit different. Boren was an enrolled student and projected starter who left because he didn’t like the practices the new coach ran. Fair dos, but it’s less like Kalis switching commitments and more like if Andrew Norwell decided to transfer to Michigan because he didn’t like the way Fickell ran practices.

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  11. BillNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Sure is a lot of hostility and hatred between these two groups. Almost lets MooU and PSU off the hook, so let’s all be sure to keep a little bad blood stored up for those two!

    Will be hard, tho, ‘specially tosu vs. MooU – I want them BOTH to lose, which is hard to do…….

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  12. @MrcanziorNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    I recall hearing quite a few stories about how Michigan was negatively recruited by O during the Rodriguez era? I’m sure you wrote about that though!. To be honest who cares? If all it takes is a coupe catchy phrases to sway a kids decision to the EXTREME opposite then the kid was already looking for a reason to leave.
    I love it! I love the bad blood with the underlying mutual respect. Hoke has all the respect in the world of O, because essentially without one, the other wouldn’t be as prominent. M & O are tied to each other and will always be measured against each other. As a Bucks fan, you have to love the passion that has been missing since the ’05 game. Even if it takes some jabbing and prodding, lets get back to being enemies and not just another O (w) or M (l) at the end of the season.
    Go Blue

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  13. WillhouseNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I find it funny that writer calls Hoke “less than honest.”

    Yeah, and Tressel was the poster boy of honesty.

    Pot, meet Kettle.

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  14. amazinbluNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I find it quite humorous in the portion of your article that you refer to The University of Michigan as “that school to the south” then proceed to rip on Hoke for the “Ohio” comment. What a joke you Buckeyes are, even your writers.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Couldn’t find your “south” reference, so I’m assuming that you meant “school up north”.

    Unless there’s some new sort of geography being taught elsewheres…

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    SwooshNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    He is taking the long way around;)

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  15. Tony BakerNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Jim,
    OSU had the biggest hypoctrite to EVER grace the sidelines of college football and you think Hoke lacks character!
    Just like most (not all) OSU (osu) fans you see very little and don’t know what your talking about.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    “hypocrite”

    “you’re”

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    JeffNo Gravatar
    July 18th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    +1

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  16. shawnNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Nice “Fast Times” story about your football playing days, was the player whose window got smashed forrest whitaker? Instead of accepting responsibility for what happened at your school down south, you take this opportunity to fabricate negative recruiting stories about Coach Hoke. It is not at all conceivable that Kails is just being truthful and doesn’t want to pay the price for the indiscretions of your program? You are truly delusional and not at all in touch with reality if you think that your program is going to be able to skate by with minimal penalties. Good luck with that bucks…

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    but dude… our dad’s a television repairman

    For Kalis, my curiosity is twofold (and I fully believe that a young adult should be able to make whatever decision is best for him, even if it befuddles people who don’t know him).

    1) He said he didn’t want to have to deal with something (sanctions) that he had nothing to do with. So why wouldn’t you wait to see what those sanctions actually are? And why would you verbal to a program that will be on probation during your first season there for something you had nothing to do with?

    2) Why not wait until January, when sanctioning and coaching situation will be solidified and you can compare apples to apples? Although, given what we fans have created regarding recruiting process drama, I can see why he’d want to get it over with.

    It does make sense, though, to want to play with people you know and a program that seems stable.

    RE: Penalties… since neither one of us is employed by the NCAA, we’ll just have to wait to see what they decide re: sanctioning.

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    SwooshNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    1) He said he didn’t want to have to deal with something (sanctions) that he had nothing to do with. So why wouldn’t you wait to see what those sanctions actually are? And why would you verbal to a program that will be on probation during your first season there for something you had nothing to do with?

    What price does he pay? Honestly this point is just funny, LOL

    A bowl band will happen, just one year I think, but you’re going to get one.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    You’re right- he has just as much to lose committing at this point as he does in waiting (nothing). I was merely expressing my curiosity, as I mentioned. Not a critique.

    I agree about the post-season ban… although the history may be on Ohio State’s side.

    Plus, I really like our band, so if they get a bowl- that would be tremendous. ;)

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  17. Disgusting articleNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    It is interesting to me that someone would write an article describing someone as a liar, “less than honest manner”, “negative recruiting skills” without knowing anything about this situation. That is very offensive to any and everyone. Strong words like that need undeniable evidence and even then are questionable. THEN, of all things finish his tirade with, “Is Brady Hoke blatantly lying to players about exaggerated future punishments to cash in on Ohio State’s current misfortunes? We may never know for sure, but people think that is what he is doing.” Admitting that it is all conjecture. Poorly written and thought out just like all buckeye junk.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Thanks for the feedback, and for dropping by.

    Are you suggesting that you’re an expert in buckeye junk?

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    West Coast BuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 19th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    This is the point where the slow clap starts and we award you a trophy for winning the internet right?

    Well done sir well done.

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  18. SpartyOnNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    I went to Michigan State, so I naturally share a distaste for UofM and their fans. But this article is way off and just sounds whiney. OSU deserves to be punished severly for running a crooked program for a decade, you had a ton of sucess under Tressel but you were cheating the entire time. That being said, I thought it was a sad day when Tressel lost his job. I think he really is a good man and cares about his players he was good for college football. I also feel the same way about Brady Hoke. The man has obvious passion for the game and it’s traditions, thats what a rivalry is all about! MSU has benefited from all of this too, we swooped up a couple of OSU recuits, it’s the name of the game. You can look down on it all you want or call Coach Dantonio a liar and less than honest, hell he used to be on Tressel’s staff, but your flat out wrong and it sounds like sour grapes.

    OSU will be fine going forward, they will recover quickly and continue to get superior talent (especially in Ohio). But the bigger issue here is that the last decade of Buckeye football has been tarnished and that can NEVER be recovered.

    I was intrigued by the title of this article but disappointed in the content. So I will certainly agree that this rivalry will be renewed…

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Great comments, Sparty! Few thoughts…

    OSU deserves to be punished severely for running a crooked program for a decade, you had a ton of success under Tressel but you were cheating the entire time.

    And this is based on what exactly?

    For the record, we’ve also said that the “Hoke Renaissance” would be a good thing for the rivalry. We feel the same way about Dantonio… the B1G is going to be tough sledding from top to bottom starting this fall.

    Well, maybe not at Indiana. There’s that.

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    SpartyOnNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    That comment was based simply on the perception of Tressel and the OSU program right now. I have no proof they were cheating, the NCAA might, but with former players coming out and making comments and then back tracking it’s just how people nationally perceive it. They traded merchandise and were treated like kings in Columbus, I’m sure that attracted a lot of kids to want to play there (I happen to think these players deserve some type of benefits for all the money they generate but thats a different issue all together). The bottom line is they broke the rules and you have to think Tressel knew about it, I feel the same way about Pete Carroll. But as I said I thought he was great for the game, the man was an institution.

    Now I feel like MSU has found someone like that in Dantonio. He’s not looking for the next big job, like Saban was, he wants to be a Spartan for life. So although I dislike UofM, I have to admitt that I respect Brady Hoke and I think he’s ultimately good for the B10, which is why I disagree with calling the man a liar, a manipulator, and saying he has gone out of his way to antagonize and be obnoxious.

    Besides, before he plays OSU next season he’ll have to deal with the reigning OUTRIGHT B10 Champs in East Lansing…

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Thanks for clarifying- Eric actually did a really good job at covering all of the “rumors” and stuff a couple of weeks ago. Most of it is yet unvalidated, so it’s hard to know how accurate the perception is.

    One of the knocks on Dantonio is that he’s “soft” on discipline- let’s players who get in trouble off the field skate w/o much repercussions. I haven’t seen that much- what’s your take?

    Oh, and beat the hell out of Satan. Nothing could be finer…

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    SpartyOnNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Who knows what rumors are or aren’t true. I just think it’s too bad that these events will overshadow all the great things Jim Tressel did and the kind of program I feel he truly intended to run.

    That knock on Dantonio probably stems from a comment he made about a “zero tolerance policy”. I think some people took that to mean that everytime a kid screws up he was going to kick them off the team, which clearly wasn’t what he meant. After the on-campus brawl at the conclusion of the 2009 season many players on our team were punished and ultimately suspended or kicked off the team. And last year Dion Sims, a former 3-star recuit at TE was suspended the entire season. So I think he’s become more strict with his discipline, especially when you think about the Bobby Williams era before him. I was on campus during the Duckett, Charles Rogers, and Jeff Smoker days and everyone knew how much those guys partied… It ultimately lead to Smoker leaving the team for half the season due to substance abuse (cocaine).

    His detractors can always nitpick and find something to complain about, but I think in general he runs a tight ship. Kids are gonna screw up, and if they do they should be punished, but if they make an effort to become a better person I don’t think they deserve to be kicked off the team.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    I just think it’s too bad that these events will overshadow all the great things Jim Tressel did and the kind of program I feel he truly intended to run.

    Yup- And that’s the reason we’re so frustrated with ESPN’s “coverage” right now.

    GOBLUE2No Gravatar
    July 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Here’s the skinny; best article I’ve foound to date
    http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.com/2011/05/dotting-lie.html

  19. WillNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I’ll be 100% honest, I stopped reading half way through your article, so forgive me if I missed something you may have written. I must ask, you can’t honestly believe that this is journalism, correct? I’ve never read a more skewed and slanted article, full of hyperbole, speculation, and uncorroborated accusations. I know this is an Ohio State blog and therefore, one should expect a pro Buckeye slant, but do you really believe you are providing a service to your readers? I’m a full believer in the freedom of the press, but given your lack of objectivity and available credentials, I’m not sure 1) you should fall under the 1st amendment’s protection as “press” and, 2) your words on Brady Hoke aren’t liable (or a hate crime for that matter). In retrospect, I don’t have a substantive comment or question, but rather want to say “wow” and pray that the people who read this article are capable of thinking for themselves.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    …pray that the people who read this article are capable of thinking for themselves.

    Wow- you totally missed our target demographic. ;)

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    JeffNo Gravatar
    July 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Stop replying, Mali. Apparently Congress just stripped you of your First Amendment rights.

    Keep it up and you’re liable to commit libel.

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    West Coast BuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Technically the last few meetings in November could be labeled Hate crimes so you’re in good company Mali.

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  20. MotownmannNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    First off…GO BLUE… now..I am not going to speak for other Michigan Fans, but If everyone thinks Ohio State is going to Suck because of 5 or 6 players not playing, then they are crazy. Ohio State is loaded, period. I think we will make strides with better coaching, but a complete turn around from a 37-7 A$$ whooping I don’t see. Would love it..just don’t see it happening.

    As for Tressel, hell of a coach. Made some mistakes and got caught simple enough. HE was gracious during our Rich Rodriquez years…so I will not disrespect him. Hoke…successful everywhere else, hope he does it here.

    As for Boren…who cares, he left, he is a Buckeye not a Wolverine. Kalis, I welcome him as a Future Wolverine.

    As a note….several years ago…Auburn went through a bunch of problems….they went 12-0. They still were talked about being the best team on the field the entire season but just could not claim the title because of sanctions…Ohio State will be there. And that is what I want…I want our rivals to be great even if I hate em.

    And lastly for the smug fans…yes you are 9-1 over the last ten years…and with those wins you would still need 13 more straight years beating us to tie the record. (57-44-6 Michigan) So enjoy it…I will take these lumps with tea cream and sugar (and a bottle of scotch so I can sleep at night). But this rivalry has been one of circles. We whoop yall, and yall whoop us…It is what it is…
    Good luck with the season….EXCEPT on the 26th!

    GO BLUE!

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Motownman- Thanks for the comments, and we hope you come back to join our little party here on the interwebs in the future

    (except for Thanksgiving week, though- then, I hope your gravy is lumpy and you run out of whipped cream before you run out of pie). :)

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    motownmannNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    MailBuckeye… I don’t care if it is lumpy….just as long as it has FLAVOR!!!! :)

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  21. MotownmannNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    SPARTY,

    RIGHT ON!!! I cannot agree with your words more…
    I hate you guys too! :)

    GO BLUE!

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    SpartyOnNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I accept that, it’s as it should be!

    See ya Oct. 15th in East Lansing! I know I’ll be there!

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    motownmannNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    no..unfortunately I will not be there….I will be on assignment overseas…but will be in there in spirit!

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Stay safe, MTM… hope you come back in time for Michigan’s trip to the Meinke Car Care Bowl. :)

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  22. JimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Remind me to send a fruit basket to the Detroit Free Press, the influx of wolverines they have provided us today has been a true joy.

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  23. jimNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Good lord. I don’t think I’ve read such a slew of whining, crying, and persecution complex babble from any major NCAA school. Maybe that’s what having only one sport does to you.

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I’m assuming that you’re referring to our visitors from up north, and not to Ohio State- who finished second in this year’s Director’s Cup.

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    mgoblueNo Gravatar
    July 15th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    im from toledo ohio, and i can tell you this area is the strongest area for this rivalry. its about 50% osu fans 50% michigan fans, so being born in ohio doesnt automatically mean you have to like osu

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    MaliBuckeyeNo Gravatar
    July 15th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Dang right, Toledo is the “Center” of the rivalry… we even fought to have you be a part of our state!

    What you do with that, though, is your own business.

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  24. JonNo Gravatar
    December 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Unfortunately, I have to disagree. OSU would use the same tactics if the table was turned. And honestly, that isnt an unfair tactic. Would YOU want to play for a school who lost their coveted head coach and has potential major sanctions pending. Tough call, even if you are a hardcore buckeye.

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    JimNo Gravatar
    December 1st, 2011 at 11:26 am

    The specific issue was Hoke reportedly telling players that Ohio State would be punished “worse than USC” which is a line that ESPN has been harping on all summer as well. Looking back, it seems clear that Hoke was being disingenuous at best, if that was what he was telling the Ohio kids.

    Either way, as it says in the title, the rivalry is back on and it should be fun to watch.

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